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WHY, oh WHY do people insist that Spike deliberately fought for his soul? Did anyone actually watch the same TV show I did?

Ok, I know, even the writers put that into Buffy's mouth - the whole "he fought for his redemption" line (or maybe it was Willow's? Someone's? I didn't really pay attention that much to S7, so forgive me if I screw that up).

HOWEVER, I was paying attention when Spike got on his bike and went away, after his horrible attempt to convince Buffy she loved him. I was paying attention to what he said to the demony guy in africa, but in case you'd like a refresher:

His last line from 6.19:
SPIKE: Get nice and comfy, Slayer. I'll be back. And when I do ... things are gonna change.

And his lines from inside the demon cave in 6.22:
SPIKE: So you'll give me what I want. Make me what I was. So Buffy can get what she deserves.

DEMON: Very well.  (Spike watches the demon nervously.)

DEMON: We will return...  (The demon's hand reaches out toward Spike's chest.)

DEMON: ...your soul.

The hand touches his chest and it glows fiery yellow-orange. Spike's eyes glow the same color. He throws back his head and screams.

[ from here ]

What she DESERVES?  How is that "give me a soul so I can be soulmates with her?"  In my world, it's not.  It's a vampire who is angry and jilted, who wants revenge on the woman that made him feel that way.  OH, and wants the chip out.  He says "make me what I was" ... the implication there is get rid of the damn chip, not 'give me a soul'.  And he says it like he's angry and annoyed and ready to tear Buffy's head off along with the rest.  How does that become Spike toddling off going "I'll get a soul to win Buffy over"??   And why is it so important for so many fans that it does?  The vamp's way cooler with out the damn soul, if you asked me.

And fine, so Joss (or, in the realm of the show, the demon that cursed him with it) gave Spike a bright and shiny soul so he could be tortured.  And fine, technically he fought for it.  But it wasn't what he thouht he was fighting for!  Do you, when they hand you the rinky-dink colored eraser prize off the bottom of the shelf at the fairgrounds, the consolation prize when you were aiming for the big stuffed panda bear that's taller than you are and that you'd have to strap to the car on the way home, do you say "I was trying for the consolation prize?"  NO!  You say "I was trying for the panda bear, and all I got was this rinky-dink eraser!"

I'd just like for people to remember that about Spike!  Remember that he was trying to get the damn chip extracted, and all he got was the stupid soul.  Now that should go on a t-shirt:  "All I wanted was my chip removed, and instead I got this stupid soul."  (ok, that one probably only amuses me.)

ETA: [livejournal.com profile] elizabuffy points out that I am so not up on my S7 lore, and I missed the parts (or wishfully ignored them) where Spike in his crazy rants and raves admits to deliberately going after his soul. I always said cannon should end in S5.

Date: 2006-06-11 09:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
Oh I do understand what you mean
(and sorry if I seemed a bit harsh, just used to it that a lot of people who insist on Spike going to get the chip out, try and bring up her friends as the reason when you point out that the chip didn't work on Buffy*g*
It's become like an instinctive part of the response*eg*)

I could see your point, the problem of it for me is that, one, I like Spike's story better with him choosing for the soul, and two, I don't believe that Spike was ever really the big bad that he tried to be.

Spike has a tendency to try and become what he thinks the person he loves wants him to be. Poetic, sophisticated and a good man for Cecily (that one didn't exactly work), a good student and a monster for Angelus, a dark vicious knight for Drusilla, ... he was still trying to find what Buffy wanted. He knew she wanted someone who helped people, even if he didn't get why he was supposed to do so, someone who didn't feed on bleeding disastervictims, someone who's good and can fight and...

The big problem is though, that none of those are really him. S2 Spike is just as much a pretense as the Spike in the beginning of s5 trying to tell Buffy that he didn't feed on the disaster victims. By S5 of Angel Spike was still trying to find the real him.

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