First off, we're probably going to always disagree about one point or another in this conversation because we come from two different sides of the fence, cannonically speaking. And I hope you understand that I've been trying to acknowledge that my perspective when I wrote this post was mostly focused on the end of S6, and that I admitted, moments after I was corrected by a close friend, that I had not included the many things Spike & the First & everyone said in S7, where the story line is definitely that Spike went for his soul. I may have acknowledged it badly, but I was trying to say that I was wrong in my ETA note.
That being said, that is an interesting point about Spike hurting Buffy, and it's the first time anyone has brought it up.
On the other hand, if you look at it from the perspective that Spike didn't simply want to get his chip out, but wanted to return to an emotional state that was closer to his earlier devil-may-care vampire self, where he didn't have feeling for Buffy, perhaps you can see wherre I'm coming from.
I had no intention on starting on her friends, and I agree with you about Spike's being frustrated in his scene with Clem. I'm not even sure if we differe on our interpreation of why he's frustrated, just on the intent of his actions after that.
I do think, in terms of your argument, that Spike wanted to stop being half. I'm not completely convinced that he thought the solution to that was to become a vampire with a soul, because it seems to me that's even more marginal.
But, like I said, we'll just have to agree to disagree, because I really have no doubts my argument is not persuasive enough to change your mind.
Thank you for taking the time to comment, regardless.
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Date: 2006-06-11 06:57 pm (UTC)That being said, that is an interesting point about Spike hurting Buffy, and it's the first time anyone has brought it up.
On the other hand, if you look at it from the perspective that Spike didn't simply want to get his chip out, but wanted to return to an emotional state that was closer to his earlier devil-may-care vampire self, where he didn't have feeling for Buffy, perhaps you can see wherre I'm coming from.
I had no intention on starting on her friends, and I agree with you about Spike's being frustrated in his scene with Clem. I'm not even sure if we differe on our interpreation of why he's frustrated, just on the intent of his actions after that.
I do think, in terms of your argument, that Spike wanted to stop being half. I'm not completely convinced that he thought the solution to that was to become a vampire with a soul, because it seems to me that's even more marginal.
But, like I said, we'll just have to agree to disagree, because I really have no doubts my argument is not persuasive enough to change your mind.
Thank you for taking the time to comment, regardless.